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| Tom_Flanagan | Post-Normal Science as a rediscovery | 4 | Aug 13 2008, 6:55 AM EDT by vvratusa | ||
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Thread started: Jan 3 2007, 5:57 PM EST
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The output of Post-Normal Science ... increased questions, insights, and understanding of interrelationships (http://www.edgelab.ca/CSCW/Workshop2004/papers/carpendale-cscw04-workshop1.pdf) doesn't seem to differentiate this practice from Normal Science.
Indeed, Jerry Ravetz begins a recent discussion of Post-Normal Science stating that "Once upon a time we were all sure that Science would provide the true facts that would entail the correct policy decisions" and then goes on to say "Of course, the practice of high-quality science at the research front is largely post-normal in this sense." (http://www.postnormaltimes.net/blog/archives/2005/05/postnormal_scie_1.html) My sense is that the battle ground around this term of art reflects the expanding need for pluralism in (environmental) decision making where -- as in business decision making -- one needs to operate on less than complete information, regardless of whether we take a realist or a pragmatist view of what constitutes truth. In essence, the goal becomes the quest to consistently improved decisions about how to act when we KNOW that we DON'T KNOW what we need to know. Is such a basic effort to improve the quality of decisions when information is incomplete a legitimate SCIENCE? I am content to agree that it is in spirit ... if its methodologies are themselves subject to falsification. I see this "science" emerging in many corners of the world ... as a slowly evolving sociotechnology. It is a cornerstone of modern business management and it is an ancient reality that has pressed upon the human condition for ages. The awkwardness that environmentalists are facing at this point in time seems to reflect the fusion of social science and physical science at the prescriptive edge of systems thinking. Environmentalism is traditionally rooted in descriptive systems. Moving from prescriptive to descriptive is one small step for man and one giant leap for mankind. t |
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| kenb | Radical Constructivism, Post-Modernism, Third Phase Science | 2 | Jan 14 2007, 3:06 PM EST by Aleco | ||
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Thread started: Jan 4 2007, 12:07 PM EST
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Radical Constructivism holds that all our knowledge is at root devised by animal and human construction that have been adopted because it works or systemically explain our experience. . Constructivism does not necessarily imply extreme forms of post-modernism that claim that all truth is relative. Costructivism holds that some "truths" are reliable because they have been redundantly verified by experience and descriptive scientific investigation.
Descriptive science deals with shades of redundant truths as shaped by the guidelines of first and second phase science. Prescriptive science goes further and deals with what is to be done in a particular situation. It has a practical urgency and demands decisions even when there is no agreed upon description of what the facts are. Prescriptive science is the realm of third phase science and post-normative science. In addition, third phase science is not expert-driven. While they do recognize the contributions of experts, the people in a situation make the observations, state their needs, describe their situation, and decide on the remedies and projects. Their attitude and involvement is encapsulated in the oft-quoted phrase of a handicapped woman in an SDP workshop: "Nothing about us, without us." |
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| peterjones | Postmodern or Post-Normal Science? | 0 | Jan 3 2007, 4:54 PM EST by peterjones | ||
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Thread started: Jan 3 2007, 4:54 PM EST
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Tom draws our attention to the Wikipedia entry for "post normal science." Seems to me it never gained any traction at all (I haven't checked for more recent cites, but the Wikipedia shows the latest at 1993). Is this postmodern science, which at least ties it to a philosophical grounding? (Except that the high-stakes/urgent decision orientation suggests pragmatism). Some philosophical basis is inherent in the formation of all paradigms and methodologies, and in "post-normal", the philosophy is unclear.
Quoted as: "Post-Normal Science is a concept developed by Silvio Funtowicz and Jerome Ravetz, attempting to characterise a methodology of inquiry that is appropriate for contemporary conditions. The typical case is when "facts are uncertain, values in dispute, stakes high and decisions urgent". In such circumstances, we have an inversion of the traditional distinction between hard, objective scientific facts, and soft subjective values. Now we have value-driven policy decisions that are 'hard' in various ways, for which the scientific inputs are irremediably 'soft'." Aleco suggests this is consistent with Third Phase Science, but Post-Normal seems to miss the central point of von Foerster's 2nd order cybernetics, which is turning the lens and loop on the observer. In 3PS, the observer is commiited to the situation in which high-quality observations are made. |
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